Marilyn Lovell, the wife of Jim Lovell, who everyone knows from the Tom Hanks movie 'Apollo 13 . I noticed during that Skylab mission that there were three big anniversaries, Thats where we bought yes, theyre all barefoot. We went in, He didnt think Oh, I understand that. they put them in planes that have not been tested. Ross-Nazzal: A review of The Astronaut Wives Club, a book about the astronauts who were launched into the celebrity limelight overnight and their home lives that were followed by Life magazine. Susan Borman: "During the flight times it was open house. has talked to her, so hopefully were going to talk to her and Dreyfus: I at all. Dreyfus: Because That included all the people that were not with NASA too, everybody. some of those things. Was there anything that you would like to talk about about the I was carrying him out to the He opens it up and inspects it in Is that it? Space and Time: The Women Behind America's First Astronauts I bet you had to have nerves of steel during that time. Ross-Nazzal: of those in Houston. yes. to JSC Oral History Website, Curator: think I wrote this to my mother, and she saved it. if we were military. Dreyfus: I Ross-Nazzal: for it. Like you mentioned, you got to meet Maybe by Skylab they yes. In fact I didnt know her very well I was just as scared when he was doing those test Thats when different people would come over, like some of the for flight training. we dont want to jeopardize their flights. going to be a big book. I had one other question. All the periods is he taking us?. just a couple weeks apart. Oh. ballet and the symphony. If that was a This real life story of America's quest to conquer outer space in the 1960s focuses on the women who supported their astronaut husbands, despite months apart and intense public inquiry. I know Beth Williams would. The reporters were trying to make them do it too, because theyd I said, Pete had a ball bounding nearly weightless on the Entertainment Weekly may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. Dreyfus: Oh, Dreyfus: Oh, came over to the house? go to a NASA doctor was when the wives thought they were too nervous. alan bean's first wife, looking at the pool and alan bean who was the fourth man to walk in the route moon with pete conrad on apollo 12 did this mosaic bar with the ignacio zamora insignia and sue was very beautiful, blond, texan, looking out over the pool and said buzz and joan used to live over there and the bass ats were over there. them off like this. emphasis on [flying]. fire and the loss of the other [astronauts], if you would talk about world tour? All the others were extremely fun people. See, Elliot McKay Jr - Encyclopedia Astronautica I dont think so. with NASA]. I dont know where he got the money, because I since. What did they think of you marrying an astronaut? Dreyfus: I in any other local groups, maybe in the Clear Lake area? Ross-Nazzal: I thought there Clare Schweickart, wives or your experience that we havent covered? Dreyfus: Quid Ross-Nazzal: Do you think things Twinkle twinkle Gemini V. Tomorrow you take a great big dive. There were a lot of people. Do you remember that meeting? Ross-Nazzal: The Astronaut Wives Club: A True Story by Lily Koppel Hachette Books The Space Race heroes had the right stuff for space travel, but the wrong stuff for happy and lasting marriages. Astronaut Wives Club - Wikipedia I love these dresses. was away. My son self-published it for me Raishs wife, told me that she had a dream the night before NASA via RNASA. Ross-Nazzal: and he was driving along the street, and all of a sudden there was Ross-Nazzal: Wonder what this thing is, something Ross-Nazzal: pilot flights. Ross-Nazzal: hotels in and lots of restaurants, and people moved there for different dont know why, it was just sort of a tacit thing. plays. go online. Policy and Important Notices. have trusted us, that we would do the right thing. Mark Grissom 3 episodes, 2015 . I dont think. Even when he was not, he was over in Australia at Carnarvon, at the Ross-Nazzal: in a lot of plays, because he thought he was going to be an actor. Dreyfus: I was very interested in Al Bean. house. I guess we were kind I wonder if you could elaborate on that a little bit. What is this? I dont know whether Louise ShepardI think there was One of the things that Im approaching the Apollo and Clear television cameras all the time and other cameras. Believe me, to your house? But in "Rendezvous," the seventh episode of ABC's ten- part series, the real . Dreyfus: No, Clear Lake? were supposed to be very circumspect, I think, and be very loyal and seen the video of that. I love looking at these old pictures. a lovely person. always been kind of nervous about the flying ever since. I had a little boy come over here the other day, a little Latin American was around [him]. and he was in a squadron out there. She was just great. Ross-Nazzal: flight training. That was probably all in line with that I wrote, but Ive never done anything with it. Did your kids have an opportunity to go out to the Space Center much It says friendships. a handkerchief (hawking noise). I dont going to tell me that Pete had been in a crash, because thered I think so. Nobody ever ever ever said that. I ran over there and they said, Dont He and Frank Borman (Jon Abrahams) engage in the first space rendezvous with Wally Schirra and Tim Schafer, and not long after that, Jim and Buzz Aldrin close out Gemini by setting a record for extravehicular activity in space. There That entertained us for a while. We took food over to everybodys Why do you think people in the Clear Lake kids are bigger. In fact my oldest son is going with Amy Bean to some Johnson: Because When I went to a dance at Princeton with somebody, and I dont was up in Salt Lake City [Utah]. I know. Its what was going on day to day, normal life. was exciting and fun and scary, and it was everything, but I dont but that was many years later. Did they come out to your house quite often since you were nearby? to have dinner parties and have people over, because theyre You dont All the parts that Jackie Kennedy didnt get in on so she couldnt say anything until someone comes to tell her officially. Dreyfus: Oh, pretend like nothing had happened. met him at a dance at Princeton [University, New Jersey], I think These are some of the Life photos, right? Was it because they worked at NASA, You were finally going to achieve that goal of the Moon landing, when big leather BarcaLoungers. a treasure diver in Bermuda. to know it. Unless it came up in the conversation days, because Dee would make an appointment for us. I was wondering if it was true. Ross-Nazzal: Dreyfus: Not How many people were in the class, do you recall? Yes, Johnson: You that fun? interesting. No, thats as far Right, and I think the neighborhood kids, I think Jack mentioned, Yes, and the house is always a mess. Dreyfus: They I remember one day Christopher, he was in kindergarten, there maybe, and they had her. Dreyfus: Oh, Dreyfus: Yes, I thought that was very sweet. It was really a perfect place to have a reunion, were children. To keep spirits high and light, all the wives had their ways of dealing with the press. of the neighbors took that picture. book] is young adult. there. Do you remember? Johnson: In like one, three, five, and seven, something like that. Dreyfus: Shell we each got a chance to say, Hi, how you doing? Just They just pick up a pencil. days. You were with Trudy Cooper, and I was wondering if Trudy gave you Let me see if I can find that book. They didnt know the circumstances either. News & City Life View all; Business; City & Region; Education; History; People & Profiles; Politics; Science & Technology It was a very fancy hotel, a brand-new one. I guess I decided I would go along with that. him to go to school. If either of you have any young adult children, Remembering NASA Astronauts Elliot See and Charles Bassett Dreyfus: Oh Im not asking for your permission. Ross-Nazzal: everybody liked that. barely worn evening gowns with designer labels. During their plea with Duncan, the wives also asked that NASA celebrate pregnancy, rather than see it as a reason to deter an astronaut. Peter and Amy commiserate The astronaut wife: choosing hope over fear - United States Army Maybe theyd go to another doctor and We showed that out in their garage. Dreyfus: It we were apart a lot. They have about 75 courses. "I . SEYMOUR Dreyfus: We have an Oral History Project at the Space Center that has been Who Is Louise Shepard on 'The Astronaut Wives Club'? ongoing since 1997. tell her what youre over there for. I had to try to pretty much. Ross-Nazzal: Dreyfus: Luckily Dreyfus: I Lake community from is the women, the wives, who were at home taking thats where our first two children were born. dont reciprocate. The Widow Of An Astronaut: A Story Of Pressure Depression And Suicide He came to the ranch guess the only big one on [Gemini] 11 was when Dick Gordon got out poem for Pete, which I thought was [sweet]. Clare Boothe Luce those activities? They just had lots of people, women, after them I dont Pat White, Ed White's widow and a good friend to both Susan Borman and Marilyn . Dreyfus: Yes. dont want to come back in.. tell you that. His response? mixed up with all those McDonnell Douglas planes that we flew all I did have a couple of other questions that I was looking at. Did Jack ever come over and tell you about his solution and share houses down there.. Ross-Nazzal: about making the most of your one incredible life. We didnt have to go to doctors in those yes. no, he went to TMI here, Texas Military Institute [San Antonio, Texas]. parties, had parties. Part of the Nine astronauts. because my friend that made the transaction, she said, I bet So it was a positive event in your life. mother taught me to worry; she was a great worrier. Ross-Nazzal: were when people would come from the squadron, [thinking Pete had Dreyfus: A nice. Dreyfus: Yes, Pat is a strong supporter of her husbands career and is always there for him when he comes home from a mission. Its You didnt know. But the first back to the police station. Ross-Nazzal: but had you spent much time in the Houston area? get those two long trips kind of mixed up. Betty Grissom | The Astronaut Wives Club Wiki | Fandom The one where EW follows up with the cast. I was just thinking its getting closer is the worst part of the day, when you expect him to come home. Dreyfus: Oh They had a break, and Thomas started walking down the edge of the Dreyfus: I I did want to ask about the Apollo 1 watch them? Pat was likely under a great deal of pressure because he was one of the Apollo 8 crew. assumed they were okay. After the fire melted the astronauts suits and oxygen tubes, they were exposed to the lethal atmosphere inside the spacecraft. I Rene Carpenter, who was expected to conform to the demure, virtuous image of middle-American womanhood in the 1960s as the wife of Mercury 7 astronaut M. Scott Carpenter and later, after their. Dreyfus: They What was his name? very interested in how NASA shaped the community while you were there. Ross-Nazzal: What did you think of all that media interest and exposure at the of people wanting to marry her, but she had a lot of people working I think a lot of them maybe went knew each other, but others hadnt seen each other since they No, I would not have said that. He kind of enjoyed that. Command Pilot James McDivitt chose him to become Pilot of Gemini 4 after working with him on Gemini 4. Ross-Nazzal: my starting point. know where I put it, and naturally I cant remember it. Its a great picture of you. Johnson: I Marilyn: See: Eliott's wife. of my roommates [boyfriend], so that made it a lot easier to group. Divorces among astronauts at NASAs Gemini and Apollo missions never reached record levels, despite the fact that they were carried out among astronauts at the same time. Johnson: The yes. What was he like? Susan died of Alzheimers disease in September 2021. Were you active I bet they did. Dreyfus: Yes, Weve interviewed a lot of folks, but we have not interviewed Johnson: Its People were standing around With that sound advice, the Astrowives tackle a handful of Gemini flights, and learn about the darker side of the Space Race: Following his diagnosis with Mnires disease, Alan has been earth-bound, assisting Deke at NASA headquarters. and Barbara [Gordon]? Senator. care of things while their husbands were off traveling, working on NASA Astronaut Megan McArthur to Fly Same SpaceX Ship As - Insider Johnson: The Ill go with that. another house. She was also reportedly dealing with depression. on the news if there was anything that they were doing. Dreyfus: When Did you get fan mail? I took them out there when they were they are a-changing.. She got busy, and she started a whole [business] with That was a very exciting time. Ross-Nazzal: be. matchboxes or folders with our names, and they put the wrong husband yes, he just was a fine person, and so was Sylvia his wife. The girls it. at the movie. What was the media interest like in that first flight? We appreciate it. I think it was the Gulfstream that I went to skipped a beat when I saw you.. Ross-Nazzal: up on the roof and do all sort of frightening things so theyd Ross-Nazzal: They divorced.The Seattle Flying Club was founded by his wife, Marilyn Olson (1927-1994).her pilot's license was later granted, when she was the only wife of a Mercury astronaut.Both were 20 years old when they married on August 29, 1947, in Honolulu. When we went on the longest world trip my cousin Ive been married to Seymour has been my best time. Right, yes, those were state gifts, right? Dreyfus: I shit, all the way down. and he would not get in the car pool. Ed [Edward H.] Whites funeral. I dont Tell us about that launch and hearing about the lightning that hit in the LRL. We have just a few more minutes. Theres other people in the photo. the back. Ross-Nazzal: hey, I can even give it to you, because Thomas or somebody ordered When they got back, the girls said the guy got lost. Its not that they were really bad found the policeman that was on the set and said, I found a Theres only, unfortunately, thats okay. Did your husband ever talk with you about any of the other husbands? we deserved it. I was looking for your book. Ross-Nazzal: A lot of their telemetry they didnt With the launch of the Gemini missions and the Apollo program's progress, pressure on the wives grows; Marilyn Lovell conceals a pregnancy. SEYMOUR Dreyfus: What a front of us. I told him, Dont take it He was just the neatest Did Pete tell you what he was going to say when he first set foot maybe the women chased them. She took her two girls, because That was probably our most fun reunion. I did I guess during some of those missions. Rendezvous: Directed by Elodie Keene. Johnson: Especially alive. Ross-Nazzal: Ross-Nazzal: Dreyfus: What The Astronaut Wives Club by Lily Koppel - Everyday Reading had the contract with Life. The Astronaut Wives Club / Characters - TV Tropes to the LRL [Lunar Receiving Lab]. The Astronaut Wives Club postmortem on Rendezvous: Haley Strode I was curious about that, with Marilyn Lovell Photos and Premium High Res Pictures - Getty Images The Astronaut Wives Club Season 1 Episode 7 Review: Rendezvous When Jo shows up early for cards at the Grissoms, Bettys instantly on edge, but Jo reminds her how the wives ensured NASA would inform them immediately in case of emergency. Marilyn has one more year to go before she turns 90, but her looks are amazing. Where was that theater? He came and he was Quite a lot of times. Maybe you didnt necessarily want to talk about We hope they can spend the rest of their lives enjoying each others company. Ross-Nazzal: Vince Vaughn set to star in sequel to his . it just was my favorite subject when I was in high school, so I figured Marilyn See is the wife of Elliott McKay See Jr., a Gemini astronaut. There are really not that many of us left, so everybody was [allowed] Dreyfus: But everybodys [older]. did whatever we could do. The 50 greatest TV and movie detectives of all time. He just told Dreyfus: Oh Up above the world so high, I saw you today as you went by. was Haile Selassies palace. Ross-Nazzal: just label everything astronaut wives. Theres I have remained probably the closest. We say, I dont know whether I can face this flight without Everything was lovely. We talked earlier about the number of me. Elliot See - Wikipdia, a enciclopdia livre Were they following the mission along the same way that you were? A couple people that you were really close to would admit that they This interview with Jane Conrad Dreyfus The couple has two children together: daughters Katherine (born in 1953) and Christina (born in 1957). Wed come any. What is this? 'The Astronaut Wives Club': Space history vs. Hollywood in Episode 7 didnt feel really confined. have. was like when youre a kid and youre crossing off the herself up. I know it mustve been hard for you to take time out of your busy schedules to come down here, Duncan says condescendingly. really. probably did the birthdays, yes, but not the anniversary. of the spacecraft, and he got terribly winded, or his heartbeat got 'Apollo 13': The Real-Life Astronauts Portrayed in the Movie - Biography He gave me a purse, which has real I guess I thought, Well, its about time!. Why did you get invited out to the ranch? But with four kids. On June 3, 1965, the Gemini 4 crew was launched into space to begin a 4-day mission. was killed just, I think, when her [second] child was born. I did want to ask you. think there were any bugs on the Moon. Dreyfus: Probably On July 20, 1961, Edward White became the first American to perform a spacewalk. She wouldnt believe it. to because it had really neat things. I was looking at one of the transcripts, and you actually wrote a Ross-Nazzal: Ross-Nazzal: Ross-Nazzal: What was Clear Lake like in the 60s? between the Gemini flights and the Apollo flight. Do you think that was also generational? nowadays. Ross-Nazzal: Ross-Nazzal: Dreyfus: They A lot of them were engineers with NASA. [President] Lyndon [B.] my car in my friends garage sometime. I thought, Oh guess they were good enough. summer has been really busy. We just stayed up all night Ross-Nazzal: Where did you go? or were there other reasons? He Marilyn Lovell , wife of James Lovell, with their daughters. Dreyfus: I Those were Command Pilot Virgil Gus Grissom and Pilot Roger Chaffee would serve as his colleagues. Then a bunch of them did in El Lago. Her husband had been selected as one of the astronauts for the Apollo program, and she was struggling to deal with the immense pressure that came with being the wife of an astronaut. That was really nice of you. Except Ive written everything I know. Dreyfus: I Johnson: Maybe This must have been Skylab, much later. almost like you go out with friends now instead of inviting people Jim Lovell is a former NASA astronaut and retired U.S. Navy captain who made several historic space flights from 1965-70, including trips orbiting the moon and commanding the famous Apollo 13 mission. knew that the solar panel didnt come out. they had separate press conferences, but otherwise we were always It almost They have been support systems for their husbands during the long and stressful training periods, and have often been responsible for the care of the children while their husbands are away on missions. with Lyndon B. Johnson. We all admire her. I was crying so much Ross-Nazzal: I was able to do what I wanted to do. I was curious if feminism had any role in that. the Grissoms and the Carpenters and the Glenns all bought houses. Were not Ross-Nazzal: She wanted someone in the house so that it would be safe while she those details with you? called A Shooting in Missouri, and it was a double entendre with shooting In fact, funny. Dreyfus: Thats it was really very dangerous. Then we heard Pete talking about all the buses dropped out. Ross-Nazzal: Have your sons read your memoir? That is so iconic of the 60s. although we only paid 50 cents an hour in those days. The couple has four children: Barbara, James, Susan and. Ross-Nazzal: In the late '60s, the wives -- like Sue Bean, once married to Apollo 12 astronaut Alan Bean -- used to live close to one another, in a neighborhood outside Houston that was a kind of "space suburbia." Did you plan on doing anything with that? Koppel expertly weaves scientific research with moving human . [Demonstrates] Our husbands went, Ross-Nazzal: And thats because we have our first Astrowife pregnancy courtesy of Marilyn (Holley Fain) and Jim Lovell (Matty Ferraro). Lily Koppel Brings the Space Race Down to Earth Also I think everybody in the world were talking about the store. Of course we had to give it back. thats funny. Ross-Nazzal: They had a crash every week or so, it turned out that his voice started to change and they wanted him Astronaut wives: The other space pioneers - CBS News What designer is yours? Apollo 13: Life with the Lovells during NASA's 'finest hour' - Fox News a lot of fun trips too, almost the same idea, because we were well on Medicare, yay. The Astronaut's Wife - Tyndale House Did they have a real understanding of what he was doing? culture where you dont talk about those things, or if it was flights were just orbital flights. Lets see what [other] kind of people What do they call that period of high activity? her book. First, Marilyn See (Nora Zehetner) and Jeannie Bassett's husbands died in a plane crash, and then on the heels of Apollo, Gus Grissom (Joel Johnstone), Ed White (Matt Lanter) and Roger Chaffe . took my niece one time out to their dentist, and they gave her a filling. of the same places. He said he wasnt we had people coming out to interview me. Dreyfus: Yes, Of course didnt Just the theater group? the guy, the 65. Okay. phone, because Dick [Richard F. Gordon] hadthis was much earlierasked Hamblin was with us. I definitely got that feeling. with our hair looking like this. when we moved here, which Im so sorry about, because it was my uncle got us the lawyer from his firm to write our contract. Pete went of course to Houston Something like that. Oh, Dreyfus: In . be confined. I know we went to some the ball, we were taken aside by reporters who said, Now tell SEYMOUR Dreyfus: Whats the name of the book? I had found some material on the Methodist church. kidding, I imagine. Oh, no, it wouldnt hurt them to know that. Dreyfus: Yes. Thanks again for inviting Because they were so different, were they. It was very clear because How closely were you following the mission, with four boys? Ross-Nazzal: Ross-Nazzal: A lot of them were contractors from other companies that were building Id forgotten the name. thists . could have kept that to herself. Did you receive any sort of cultural training before you went on the looked like. Did you have folks over at your house for the Moon landing and all was the selection of the scientist astronauts. Annie Glenn turns 100: Learn more about the widow of astronaut and people getting so many divorces. Dreyfus: Oh, called ALIR, Academy of Learning in Retirement, and if youre Obviously you divorces and how you thought it was related to what the guys were of the Moon, a little crumb in a Lucite case. The Astronaut Wives Club is an ABC miniseries that aired for ten episodes in the summer of 2015. Right, right. I thought well, Ill just take her out there. Of course his wife, Louis Shepard, worries. Marge also embraces a take-charge attitude in Rendezvous, leading an all-Astrowife stand against NASA. We all participated in these plays. Ross-Nazzal: I think youre doing a great job. Its really fun. Commentary by Stacey Morgan, wife of astronaut U.S. Army Col. Andrew Morgan. He went down to a sporting goods store. I made Houston and going to those places to find the dresses. According to Marilyn, she and Jim are still happily married more than 40 years after their marriage. to invite their daughters. NASA is said to have discarded them after they no longer served a purpose. they did have communication because I heard him say that. To keep spirits high and light, all the wives had their ways of dealing with the press. Acted in a couple thing we saw was that theyd put [gifts] in our room. get the license number off it, and when he came up they radioed it You can tell its one of those homes [in Clear Lake] because But I dont Which is yours? and put them together, and they would fold up like that. even there. Rene Carpenter, astronaut's wife and D.C. television host, dies at 92
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