Your email address will not be published. Sadly, those who defend Rorrer do not want to be confused by the truth. Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. 2. Joanne wouldnt have fought back as she was shot therefore almost immediately incapacitating her and was holding her son. Stop. If in the woods in a rural area, no animal, rodent or insect touched those bodies? .
Prime Video: Wrong Man - Season 2 A lot of these documentaries feature most of the theories suggested by the cops and prosecution which were most damaging to her case, but not a single person to substantiate Rorrers side, or to challenge their versions. Re Sells, the problem viz some serial killers is in exaggerating the number as a badge of honour. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Stop trying to prove that everyone who is prosecuted is rightfully prosecuted. It has very bad energy. He wanted to move to Colorado and she was against it.. THESE COPS ARE WRONG AND THEY ALL SHOULD BE IN JAIL FOR WHAT THEY DID TO PATRICA, PUTTING HER AWAY FOR LIFE FOR SOMETHING SHE DID NOT DO. This woman was not innocent, but she is very good at manipulating people into feeling sorry for her. They found several specimens but not a single one was a match. One of Patricia's alibis was that she was at a bar on the night of the abduction. None. Wow. DNA also doesnt lie. You people are fighting a losing cause! Since then our team has proven that Patricia is innocent. I believe in Patricias innocence and she deserves to be freed, at last! Finally, another irony you fail to appreciate: you claim theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show.
The Free Patricia Rorrer page responds to comments from supporters (How is this even possible that this woman is still in jail?!? Angry that Joann hung up on her, she stalked her for three days, then broke into her basement and cut the phone line, put a gun to Joanns head as she was placing Alex in the car, and forced her to drive to the rural area. The victims vanished on December 15. Most damning of all the evidence is the hair which was DNA matched to Rorrer which was instrumental in her conviction. After her arraignment, she had to walk past a crowd of dozens of locals screeching hang her! and baby killer! Patricia clung to a Polaroid picture showing her and her own little girl. Find out more Our Mission Patricia's Story Our Mission Is to get Patricia a fair trial that will prove her innocence, and give justice to Joann and Alex who died a horrific death. There are those on this very site who express their disappointment she was not executed. Ten months after Joann died he murdered another woman (who looks just like her) and her baby, as well. And even prosecutor Michael McIntyre, who wrote the book Hair Trigger about the case, acknowledged to Keith Morrison that it was a little odd that the police found blood on the hairs in Joanns car but nowhere else in the vehicle. And Patricia wasnt all edges. ALL IT THEN BECOMES IS A SOURCE OF INACCURACIES AND SPECULATION, WHICH ONLY SERVES TO BOLSTER THOSE WITH THAT MENTALITY AND PERPETUATE THE LACK OF TRUTH. They retested the hair for DNA evidence with updated technology definitely Patricias hair case closed. She was the one that left Andy! I have not SEEN this report that says no root found is there a picture of it online somewhere? There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. Patty was soooo obsessed with Andy that she moved away to North Carolina some 5 years before this happened, right? More hairs there. Patricias professional life included short-lived gigs as a Century 21 real estate agent and an Oldsmobile salesperson. Andy did end up moving to Colorado with her and the last time I checked, they were still together. No other suspect has existed that would have a motive to kill Joann. I can only suggest you read through my comments again, only more thoroughly. However, while sticking solely to the Rorrer case, the issue of the husbands alibi is very much open to doubt if one takes into consideration what the documentary, STARZ-The Wrong Man (in two parts) has revealed. If you so dearly feel the need to occupy the high ground in debate or an argument, have the decency to quote accurately. Locked up. At the trial, prosecutor Michael McIntyre alleged that Patricia remained obsessed with Andrew Katrinak long after their breakup despite testimony that shed had many boyfriends and live-in lovers to occupy her bandwidth. because theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show.
The Murders of Joann and Alex Katrinak [Unresolved Crime] - Reddit Lehigh Cty.) False. They returned with a guilty verdict and a sentence of two life terms. Mr Steve J She just stayed in touch with everybody, Kathy Barber said in her interview on NBCs Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports in 2017. On a secret recording, Patricia asked Jarrett to vouch for her attendance or she might go to the electric char. Ill always say that Tommy Lynn Sells murdered the Routier boys OR the father Darrin did it. His father confirmed his alibi that they were doing construction work together, putting an addition on the house of friends Tom and Kathy Holschwander, at the time of Joanns disappearance. Ive heard she gets to go out to LUNCH and this broad is in prison for murdering her husband Russ Stager? 1 talking about this. Deal refused. Unfortunately for Joanne this psycho took it badly. As for the idiots who didnt think Ms. Rorrer guilty of anything more sordid than having zero taste, the simple fact(s) are that: 1) what they claim about such testing (as was done to the hair) wasexcuse me, IS wrong both due to the follow-up AFTER the mDNA test results were made only proved more concretely that Ms. Rorrer WAS the person the hair came from, 2) the inanity about thinking Andy had something to do with it (the simple fact that ALL investigations START by checking the closest, most immediate relative, i.e, a spouse), was after his being thoroughly vouched, to NOT be in ANY way involved, 3) since this case, forensic science has only improved by huge leaps, and that no one including the courts or the Innocence Project will get involved should make it VERY clear, this case is CLOSED. Phone records dont lie.) According to a Morning Call account from March 5, 1998: McIntyre leaned forward conspiratorially like someone trying to persuade another to tell a secret, lowered his voice and said: Heres what I want to know: After you killed Joann Katrinak, did you kill that baby or just leave it to die?. Another thing that stumps me is Joannes supposed good friend who said that Joanne told her she was leaving Andrew. They tested the hair last night on Reasonable Doubt using updated technology it is definitely Patricias. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! Unless theres a complicity between him and her, and the reason she didnt divulge it is because she hopes to put all the blame on him, when she was the one to murder and he was a planner. And the point the hair in her hand wasnt tested was because they didnt need it since they had the killer shame on everyone who went along with that. If documentaries are, as you claim, biased against Rorrer, the obvious question is why. Your email address will not be published. Did you personally attend the trial? That is not just a circumstantial case, that is both circumstantial and forensic, and it is pretty air tight. The police report misspells his name (Troutman) and doesnt include his address, suggesting authorities didnt want anyone to track him down, according to Patricias side. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory. Hoist by your own petard. Hardly an argument, more a figment of your overconfidence in your opinion. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. Watching this case on tv again today, I returned to this site and noted: I most definitely will not personally afford Patricia a platform, Michael said in an email to ForensicFilesNow.com She had her chance to answer my questions and tell her story in court over 20 years ago. Thank you and well said. They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. She has no means to reply or rebut this outrageous slurs and these forums are the only way I know where people may become aware of the wrongful conviction of innocent person and equally, those who happily believe all the adverse and damaging comments. I do. And the fact that Patricia called Andrew even after he married someone else didnt mean she was still carrying a torch for him, according to one of her friends. Patricia Rorrer: Under the Microscope. I would like to tell you that there is many errors in this article, that I would love to send to you the proof of each one. In TV clips, Andrew didnt come off as anguished. They had a son, Alex Martin, in August of 1994. It's been more than 20 years since Patricia Rorrer was convicted of killing her ex-boyfriend's wife, Joann. The Free Patricia Rorrer page points to a sliver of a fingernail found at the murder site that didnt come from either Patricia or Joann. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. Lie detectors are pseudo science. I believe the answer to your question is in my comment above. Theres something very important to this case that needs to be mentioned more than anything else THE GUN. The evidence is overwhelming of her guilt. I was so excited that I called everyone, and Joanne picked up the phone and she said Andy is married, and I said I know, then she said we have a baby, and I said yea I know, then she said dont ever call here again. I can't believe this bitch has a whole internet community rallying for her; have they SEEN the evidence? and there are probably many people who still think he is innocent too. Still, no good leads materialized. She would also have no heart when it comes to children, not even her own. Did Patricia have the dyed blond hair when they broke up in 1993?
Where is Patricia Rorrer Now? - The Cinemaholic Im trying to understand exactly your reasoning asking me staying away from this site because of my insulting remarks! The Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Networks website also points to a bombshell: In 2015, the Justice Department acknowledged that most of the team members from an FBI microscopic hair comparison unit gave prosecutors flawed data from 1980 to 2000 that could have unjustly contributed to a number convictions including Patricia Rorrers. But because there is no author of this page, I would like you to contact me on the Free Patricia Rorrer facebook page.
September 2020 - Forensic Files Now Three days later, Joann had plans to pick up her mother-in-law, Veronica Katrinak, to go Christmas shopping. That, as well as measurements of the babys head (revealing the infant to be of a more advanced age) very much suggest they were killed some considerable time after what was believed at her trial. Joanne didnt go missing until December 15, an entire week and a day later. Patricia is not guilty of this horrible crime she was railroaded by her ex and the cops. After one bullet didnt kill Joann, the gun locked up, so Patricia had to beat her to death, according to the prosecution. Had there been a switch? On closer inspection, he saw it was the body of a woman. More likely it reflects a relative reluctance to execute females as well as the pendency of what will be the last episode of DNA investigation. I find it weird that youre going to kill a woman just because she hung up on you and maybe tell you some shitty world because you call like an ex. Despite the fact it has never been proved thats exactly how it happened, it seems to be accepted as fact it could just as possibly have been the other way round, beaten and then shot. Yet, you have a story like Darlie Rutier who supposedly stabbed herself seriously enough that was centimeters from her carotid artery, yet this woman is in prison still? The difference was made by the investigation, Interpol has some good detectives who do not play with peoples freedom and who do not use American techniques such as pictures, lets compare hair color after pictures bullshit, not even with the performance of todays cameras such a thing is not allowed, the issue of dismantling the alibi only with indirect evidence, like that her name was not in the notebook, a European court would withdrew it immediately, you cant go with a thing like this, its called inconclusive proof, even the fact that one of the witnesses said that the business was not opened where she said it was that day, its inconclusive, the accused can say that he/she forgot, was there and left, and his alibi I dont know how it was verified, but what should been verified first were the contacts between him and her, if he contacted her before that, if she had been contacted from public phone for example before the murder, how many times, when etc, if he was near the places where she was until the murder, things like that. Why risk an appalling crime just to leave a marriage (though I know that people have and do kill the spouse in these situations, but killing ones children is extremely rare, particularly when not in murder-suicide context). Joanns gun and beating wounds were obvious, but the baby died a less violent (but just as horrible) death with no clear signs. But her reputation wasnt exactly sleek and shiny. Joann would have fought for her life the person that did this would have had marks on them from a fight!
What time will shops open on Sunday 27th Dec 2020 The fact that shortly after Joanns funeral, Andy reconnected with an old friend, a woman who happened to live about 4 miles from where the bodies were found. The witness, Traupman, who on several occasions attempted to have his evidence recorded was severely manhandled out of the police station and so badly beaten, he had to be hospitalised. The attorney, Craig Neely, also argues he has the testimony of a. Having watched and read all that has been available, I feel very strongly, that a grave error has been perpetrated by the law authorities. Which Patricia did not, so who is the real killer? The police considered the possibility that Joann ran away, a theory disputed by her family. Claps! And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded. Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. Ep 204 - Patricia Rorrer: Under the Microscope TV-MA | 52 MINS | 2020 Patty Rorrer is convicted of the kidnapping and murder of her ex-boyfriend's wife and infant son, but "Wrong Man" investigators discover that the case is not so clear cut. I really never thought of it again.. Stable situation. Update/Clean-Up. Im sure shes innocent adds nothing other than to tell us your state of mind! And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. No show. They were there in the winter months in which the bodies would have been frozen most of the time. February 29, 2020.
COVID in Tight Spaces: How an Incarcerated Woman Used Writing to Cope Great catch. Yet they insisted in the trial that the call came in on the 13th. Ironically its you who is basing your view on second-hand information, as you were not in court. What a contrived case! And last but not least, the fact that Michael McIntyre comes across as mentally unstable. Detective Barry Grube found it odd that Andrew fixed the severed phone line before police examined it in essence tampering with evidence. Patricia, who moved from PA to North Carolina, made long distance calls from her home practically every day, except for the time period between December 11 and 16.
Patricia Rorrer Brutal Killing of Joanne Katrinak & Baby - FFF Charles Robert, the 3-month-old son she had with Gary Gabard, died of sudden infant death syndrome; Patricia found him blue in his crib. It would appear you are reading all sorts of interpretations into my comments especially that I have a fragile ego, dented by others whove responded to me! Catherine Im in complete agreement with you!
Wrong Man Season 2 Review: Joe Berlinger's Dream Team Tries Changing Another former boyfriend said she talked about Andrew frequently and liked to gaze at old photos of him. Joann was fun, likable, beautiful, always happy, said her sister-in-law Cindy Wiard. As to her duration on death row, no: inference cannot be made as to her guilt as theres a woman with about the same time (Holberg) and another with almost as much. Im new to the case, but there seems to be a lot of reasonable doubt. Its nothing short of a feeble stab hoping to impress but really amounts to splitting hairs, or to put it another way, hot air with no substance. The obvious, if moot, response to this is to observe that her conviction wasnt based on inaccurate documentaries but on trial. The Innocence Project has declined to take her case. She will be in jail for the rest of her life and rightly so. Sure theres DNA, but if she truly is innocent then why not advocate to find the gun. After relocating to Pennsylvania, Patricia met the 6-foot-2-inch Andrew in a restaurant. The likelihood of a mad slasher invading the home, engaging in infanticide, over against her own perpetration, is almost nil. The prosecution alleged that Patricia called the Katrinaks house from a pay phone in Pennsylvania. No activity on her bank account or credit cards took place after the day she went missing, so investigators dismissed the theory that she took her child and bolted. Im sorry Sally, I know you want someone to blame for the death of your daughter and grandson, but the person who actually killed her is serving a life sentence in another facility in Pennsylvania. And I have absolutely no sympathy. What a lame article. The only thing that has changed since this case is the ability of people to access and proclaim crackpot ideas, conspiracies, and all the rest. Especially mice! Everyone lies. Go somewhere else where your asserted expertise will be professionally tested and you wont be so frustrated and insulting about those who disagree (with your expertise and opinion). Your position Ive read a lot, Im right; you disagree with me, Ill say youre a moron. One of Patricia's alibis was that she was at a bar on the night of the abduction. Probably by the jeans and the boots. She hasnt, she didnt get a hard enough sentence. Or did they? This woman was motivated by an obsession with a man who no longer wanted her. Why would she say that maybe she wasnt really a good friend, just someone trying to inject herself into a super sensational case. Shes extremely, extremely happy with the baby. OK my GUESS is Patricia did do it! Im sorry for the distress this awful business must have caused. Animals would have for sure. She should have received the death penalty imo. Youre so fixated with her guilt, youre unable to see other factors that show this case to be a disgraceful travesty. I am reliably informed they took SIX hours, not TWO as stated in my comment. They were telling the truth and revealing the type of person she was, a person that definitely would kill out of jealousy and revenge. Thank you Kerry. She made an effort to look perfectly groomed even when she took out the trash, according to her mother, who appeared on Forensic Files. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. If Rorrer is innocent, she is a victim of a terrible miscarriage (terrible relatively because she is regarded as a child-killer and has been incarcerated for a many years) which I hope is corrected as soon as possible. They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. Are you even aware there are judges, eminent writers, lawyers and TV personalities and countless other ordinary people all of whom steadfastly support her as being innocent and wrongly convicted. Just one example. Testimony from Walter Blalock contradicted Patricias claim that she never had a gun. (Media sources vary as to whether she actually worked at the stable or just rented a stall there for her own horse.). I have been following this case for a very long time, watching nearly all the available documentaries and have also read the book, Convenient Suspect, by Tammy Mal as well as acquiring a great deal of information which has emerged since the trial with regard to this case. Whoever writes this amateurish swill should get a real life, andsa real job. Perhaps that would lessen your fright. Whatever the truth is. Jealousy was the motive. They also think she killed her first hubby Larry Ford as well. Looking at the pictures of the scene, after 4 months of the bodies being there allegedly, they were untouched? Despite the new evidence and hypotheses, the courts have rejected all of Patricias bids for a new trial. Im aware of Rorrers various appeals, but also aware that the bases for those appeals is to some degree unknown to observers, who rely on third-party reporting which may distort. she didnt need to . DNA tests proved the blonde hairs were hers. Look into it. I didnt know about the supposed SIDS death of Rorrers first-born.
Lawyer: New evidence in 1994 killings of woman, infant Were I a prosecutor I would consider the aforementioned characterisation technically false and failing in probity. In summer, after thawing, there will be small animals eating the body and even turkey vultures, but not so much in the winter. After all, justice has been served in the eyes of the law, so why go on demonising her? Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. And this doesnt apply to your opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. They dont need to make money??? Am I supposed to believe that she was still so enraged a week later, that she drove almost 10 hours, in a conspicuous van with a bad U-joint, to kill this woman and her baby? He would be alive today if it were not for Patricia Rorrer. The mild-mannered Sarah died in 2019 at the age of 83. You are correct the bodies were not there all that time, and it seems odd that they baby taken at 3 month, but when found he was 6 months according to Wrong Man. Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. Weak wages. Suzanne Pearson fabricated quotes from Patricia including her claim that Patricia said, Im going to the electric chair upon her arrest because a conviction would boost Pearsons career. It makes me sick. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. Rest in peace Joann and Alex. Rorrer has appealed her conviction several times and her supporters believe additional DNA. A newspaper account described Patricia as a soft-spoken, demure woman who had a sweet Southern accent and wore feminine clothes in court. Sorry, I must have missed your name on the witness list. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. And in a piece of salacious testimony, Patricia Rorrers half sister, Sandra Ireland, said that in May 1995, about six months after the murder, their mother, Patricia Chambers, stopped by the house and asked her to hold onto or hide a gun, or both. What evidence is there she actually left the state? Did he go on to have any other children is later relationship(s), do we know?