Thats what Joys remembering. Kindle. Im usually pretty pedantic about things like this. Theyre kind of like ghost characters, director Denis Villeneuve said of the recurring motif of trees in the film; as we said earlier, like silent witnesses to the various violent crimes in the movie. [SPOILERS] Question about Prisoners : r/movies - reddit So he moves the fridge and finds the body. I loved a lot of the explanations here, hit the nail on the head. Keeping the source of these character names in mind, if you re-watch Prisoners you definitely pick up on some thematic subtext involving religion. The length contributes to your analysis of the compounding effects of abduction over time, depicted in the varying lengths of how long they spent in the maze Joy seems the most available afterwards, but Anna is more slow to integrate; then Taylor, who is surprisingly capable (has a house, quite a capable thief, etc) while still being extremely myopic and distressed; and Alex, who is the mostly deeply shut off from the world. It requires the work of both men to save the girls. I wish they delved more into that aspect of him, but also thought that the brief mention left viewers trying to figure out its meaning. While SCDC strives to ensure accuracy of this information, it makes no guarantees as to the reliability of the data. The 10-year-old girl was raped and murdered by Michael Briere, her dismembered body eventually found where the 35-year-old software developer had disposed of it, in two bags floating in Lake Ontario. Were purposefully left to figure it out on our own. Hey Mary! His profession being the same as that of Jesus, and the movie opening with Kellers devout prayer, also creates the false sense that Keller will be the good in the film. Bob Taylor didnt have the opportunity. When Loki finds the body in the priests basement, the priest/father explains the man came to confess and spoke proudly about killing 16 children. Which can work for some, but not for everyone. And it never really changed. There you have it. It asks you what you believe in. There is a scene at the end of the film when Loki saves the little girl and the culprit shoots him, injuring him, then his blood flow into his eye. Kidnapping Serial Killer. It is mentioned, in the scene discussing the FBI agents book in Taylors house, that Taylor was abducted as a child but escaped after three weeks. On Friday, Briere was charged with abducting, murdering and dismembering 10-year-old Holly Jones (shown), some of whose body parts were found May 13 in two pieces of luggage in water in two . Splashing pigs blood on childrens clothes he then locks in boxes with snakes. The first kid they ever took was Alex in 1987, who was actually Barry Milland. Hi Chris,what a great review. He is not the all-knowing, all powerful saviour. I didnt think Maria Bello was good either. The first scene shows how Keller trains his son to kill. Keller doesnt get the answer he seeks from all the torture HE did, but by Joys miraculous escape and him making the connection that she saw him at some point. I dont buy it. Holly Jones' suspected killer married a Saultite And now he kind of re-creates this moment. Her back was turned to him. They see hes down there. Holly Jones is the main antagonist of the 2013 thriller film Prisoners . Did anyone watch the movie? I dont think theres a definitive answer. Theres tension as Loki hears the whistle but dismisses it, hears it again, but dismisses it again, before hearing it another time. Maybe you still disagree though. His initial response is to dismiss it. What happened to Alex after Loki found him? Another thing is the significance of showing the prepper mindset and taking everything in his own hand and his general lack of trust in higher authorities including police and perhaps even more broadly God, and how that changed when he was in the most helpless situation in what he prepared nothing for, and yet found that red whistle which will save his life. Holly Jones. I also think that Loki foreshadowing his abuse and imprisonment and the boys school that the father ran is another situation that contributes to the prisoners idea. The Prisoner's Throne (The Stolen Heir) - amazon.com Absolutely brilliant analysis, I wouldnt ne surprised if it is the best lne there is. The main story of Prisoners is the kidnapping of two young girls. Theyre prisoners, right? Thats really interesting. She heads to where she is hiding Anna and plans to kill her and taunt Keller by throwing her dead body into the hole with him. Thank you! Theyll each find salvation because of it. Top Holly Jones Prisoners Quotes As long as there is poverty in this world, no man can be totally rich even if he has a billion dollars. Just one question: how come the parents recognised their daughters clothes at the police station but didnt realise that they were not the ones the girls wore when they disappeared? On the character names, I took Keller to be a variation of killer because he hunted, owned a handgun, and was prepared to use extreme violence to protect his family. Joy and Anna see the RV while on a walk with their siblings, Ralph and Eliza. I am bothered by the fact that there were no traces at all of the two girls found in the camper van, although they have been abducted in that van! At first, the maze might seem like nothing more than the ravings of a mad man, put into the script to add to the mystery and tension. I also appreciate how you still respond to comments after a year. And might even negotiate against themself because theyre nervous. Holly Jones I would like to add to this point regarding the absence of speech in Alex and in the children recovered from their kidnappings. Appreciate the kind words! I cant remember how much time passes in the movie. And yes, I love the juxtaposition of David Lokis name. Thank you so much! Similar to how Fight Club is powerful because its not really about Edward Nortons character but rather a deconstruction of individuality in a consumer-driven culture. Someone who seems like the kidnapper but isnt the killer broke into both our homes and took our kids clothes. Especially after Loki pretty much blew off Graces report about someone coming into their house. Weve already discussed the importance of trees in pagan religions. And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have . She reveals that she heard Keller while she was held captive. Goals Also loved seeing ppl comment on this masterpiece of a movie from so long ago. Remember, he was over at the house one time and talks with Holly. This is due to the detective leading the case, Detective Loki, finding what he believes to be evidence in Bob's house, finding blood-stained cloths, making it appear that he'd murdered the girls. Theres a moment in the movie where Loki is searching for clues in old newspapers and he founds a note of a man, a correctional officer, who commited suicide (allegedly) after his son was abducted. Detective who solved Holly Jones murder reveals what sharp - Toronto I prefer to believe Keller was found by Loki, his boss said he never lost a case. Crazy that this wasnt covered. That whole torture subplot is like a twisted form of repentance. Great acting, including Melissa Leo as Holly, so soft spoken, chilling. So, maybe after recalling what Annas mother said, he might be able to link that to the sound of the whistle at Hollys house and try to find Keller. inmate search - SCDC | South Carolina Department of Corrections Not sure though) and it came out before Holly and her husband started the abductions. I wanted to just add one thing! But they probably dont sprint like that. The main villain is in a war against the Christian God, while the hero is named after a god of Norse mythology. Instead, it purposefully scatters important details throughout the story, without chronological context, meaning its easy to forget them or not connect them the way we should connect them. Glad you liked the movie! Perhaps another theme of the movie is communication. Keller keeps Alex in a box thats similar to a confessional box. confused just by this bit. We see from your examples (Alex telling Keller his girls cried after being interrogated, and his torture of the dog) that the abuse he has suffered has caused him to become capable of abuse himself. But sometime during Kellers torture of Alex, the dynamic changes. With his English language debut, Villeneuve created a story layered with suspense, thrill, and excitement. There are characters named Grace and Joy. At first, we might think it applies to the abduction of Joy and Anna. Their plight is immense and it can drive them to do unto others as has been done unto them. Or implied that he drove on his own just fine. We werent given any other reason for Dover Snrs death, were we? Bobs almost completely externalized his pain. So the answer to the question of Did Alex actually take Anna and Joy? is yes. Were really only within 24 hours of all the information coming out. Yeah, I had the same sense of spirituality. Almost a hundred years later, it can be pretty seamless. Loki hadnt been able to keep up with Keller but thought he knew Keller was going to the old apartment building. They accept what their instincts tell them and both end up playing the hero. I think Loki didnt necessarily have the time since he was more concerned about the girls. But his job is not straightforward as Keller, Anna's father is restless in the pursuit of his daughter and kickstarts his own investigation into her disappearance. I think he points to the husband of Holly. And they may not have had anything to go on. In Prisoners (2013) Holly Jones' house number 1634 is an - reddit Technical Specs, See agents for this cast & crew on IMDbPro, director of photography (as Roger A. Deakins), key hairstylist (as Elizabeth 'Shawna' Robinson), make-up: Hugh Jackman (as Pamela Westmore), second second assistant director (as Michael E. Saunders), first assistant director (as Donald L. Sparks), construction medic (as Cindy Huggins R.N. SCDC offers the Internet "inmate search" feature and the toll free inmate information line, 1-866-727-2846, as a public service to interested citizens. Toronto (AP)-On Friday, June 20th Toronto Police arrested Michael Briere, a 35 year old software developer, for the horrific murder of 10 year old Holly Jones. He doesnt have the practical personality to do whatever it takes for a certain resultthats not bad, but in this situation, it makes things complicated. This would explain why Alex was not able to drive the van. This can be the complicated nature of someone who has been hurt as substantially as Alex has been hurt. And lastly, we get flashbacks to her time with Gyllenhaal that reading the book triggers. I think the layman tends to miss out on the motifs but grasps the plot. But, at this point, you know better than to think its coincidence, right? Physical imprisonment: Holly keeping the two girls (then Keller) captive. He is told a third of that should do for a man of your size and that it is her husbands old secret recipe. Release Dates Or it could be that the wiring for the lights was bad or the bulbs all broke or something. Its pretty well-known that the victims of abuse are prone to abusing others. It is an experience that invites us to peel off the layers and try to make meaning from its moving images. What a brilliant dissection of it all. How? She had been jailed for trying to post 10.4g of heroin back to Australia in 2000 and pleaded guilty and sentenced to 31 years in jail in 2003. I believe they say that Alex often drove the van and looked at his old house? The priest trapping Mr. Jones in the basement to die. This is the best analysis I have read. Its almost like the style and story carry the movie and the cast is just kind of there. Alex Jones (Prisoners) Detective Loki (Prisoners) Paul Sandow (The King) Holly Jones (Prisoners) Keller Dover; Please check the notes for additional warnings! Did Hollys husband have more dirt on the priest that could have gotten him in more trouble? They are thinking about him, his lost life, and the lives of all the kids (two right down the street) that he devastated. The pause on Netflix is infuriating. Chris, you have written a very good essay, and most of your explanations are sound and thoughtful. You start the movie in a place of ignorance but end with a sense of superiority in understanding the who, what, when, how, and why. Prisoners Ending, Explained - The Cinemaholic Bridger is serving a full . And they are linked with this idea of necessary violence.. She was there less than a week. Police lay murder charge in Holly Jones case. And how do we make sense of the miracles in our lives? By not showing Kellers rescue, were left with a choice: do we have faith in Loki or dont we? The film has an ensemble cast including Hugh Jackman, Jake Gyllenhaal, Viola Davis, Maria Bello, Terrence Howard, Melissa Leo, and Paul Dano. So the beginning of Prisoners gets at themes of nature, religion, and violence. Its an unsolvable puzzle. How did the FBI agent know about the mazes?? Popular depiction has Loki as a trickster. Political party: Democrat. Holly Deane-Jones breaks silence on prison life inside Thailand's The list of things that Buddy did before anyone else is long. Even with her husband gone, Holly doesn't stop and abducts Joy Birch and Anna Dover. Hopefully youre thinking, Thats an in-road!. I am very much amazed with the way you see things about the movie and the way you tell them.Just wanted to say thank you. That was still the day of Joys escape, maybe only a few hours later. Alex Jones also refers to a maze. and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed. If the dogs came by at all. Thank you! For example, he doesnt say a word when introduced to Joys mother and she hands him photographs of her daughter. Hundreds of Oklahoma inmates left prison Monday before their original sentences were over. (if that was what she was doing) And why did she do it so slowly? Whats it mean that Keller prays to God to save him from the hole and its Loki whos there? The other Birch. So we have two very Christian characters in Keller and Grace who are dependent on Loki, a character symbolizing non-Christian religions. People are complicated. I just think thats the moment when the movie is ready to end. Cant remember. They dont explain it outright, but its inferred that Alexs real name had been Barry Coyler and that he had grown up in the house that the RV was parked in front of. Devoid of humor, just not especially real. I thought that Holly was the best performance, a bit melodramatic, but very creepy and a smooth transition from Auntie to Killer. You might think thats the end of it. Captives of Liberty: Prisoners of War and the Politics of Vengeance in Thanks for the excellent analysis. I also have a question. Holly and her husband lost a child and in their grief, shock, and anger, they navigated their way to blaming God just as Keller navigates his way to blaming Loki. Excellent review, I enjoyed reading the things I understood, as well as the details I missed out on. But her husband was more complicated. Thats the only way he can communicate to Loki where the girls might be, what happened to him, etc. Rather than face the sobering realization that she may have left the protection of her family entirely on her husbands shoulders ( according to the screenplay, she drank wine and was tipsy at the Thanksgiving get-together, but he just drank milk), she would rather sleep because she loves her children and husband deeply and gladly serves what he prepares in the more safe and secure world that he is trying to create for themso its complicated. Sigyn, his spouse, sat with him holding a basin beneath the dripping venom, yet when the basin became full, she carried the poison away; and during this time the poison dripped on to Loki, causing him to writhe with such violence that all of the earth shook from the force, resulting in what are now known as earthquakes. (Wikipedia). In-roads. He was the 28-year-old from Woodstock charged with Tori Stafford's abduction, rape and murder. Other than that, enjoy Villains Wiki!!! Barely existing. Tired of all the brainwashed/braindead people out thereneed to know there are people out there figuring this out like RFK jr. If you consider the lessons a child would learn, being taken, taught to never speak up, an abandonment of all hope & good in the world. Prisoners could have presented information in the way most movies dostacking details in a chronological, linear fashion thats digestible and allows viewers to go from a place of total ignorance to a place of complete understanding. Faith in God, faith in the police, faith in yourself. The s**cide of Dover Sr definitely is the reason why Keller doesnt want to renovate his childhood home and adds another layer to that house where Alex is eventually imprisoned.