His mom, Dorothy Chrisman, was a teacher at the academy run by Fairhaven. Please trust me when I tell you that your IFB church (as most other IFB churches) is preying on you. Womens should not wear pants This is not the case at my congregation. I am unsure if she was already a member before her husband passed or not. The abuse would continue and they would be dead and their child would be in foster care. If youve been taught that robbing God (not giving 10% of gross income) is the special, one specific sin that will cause God to lift all protection of your life and allow satan FULL LIBERTY to destroy you. If your pastor is telling you otherwise hes a heretic. If a child is behaving like a child (i.e., appropriate for his/her age), but you think they are being misbehaving and rebellious, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 40. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. Im so thankful for Gods grace on your life and the lives of your family. Church membership is a necessary privilege for believers who follow Christ. Oh yes, and he forgot the most important, essential factorrelated to KJV reliancevirtual ignorance of and illiteracy in biblical Hebrew and Greek!!!!!!!! My ministry isnt to the lost, its to help heal those whove been hurt by the IFB. I hope that you left your church in good terms and that they knew how you felt and whoever was wrong to be revived and allow the precense of God to bring the individual to the norm in other words what christian ought to be not what men want to be. That is contrary to Bible doctrine for a pastor. of Infighting, Anti-LGBTQ Church Network 24 Blind guides! If you think that the other translations are too wordly that right there I dont like. And yet, they honor the Scofield Bible!!! N/A When I read what you have written, I sense that you are bitter, hurt, angry, and possibly disillusioned. 33 Snakes! Come and join. This is the same pastor who said, you can come and let us tell you how you can know how you can know for sure how you can make Heaven your home. 2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. If you believe that attending an IFB church is the only way to hear the true gospel and get saved, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 36. If you think that tattoos are marks of the Devil, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 20. Since the origins of the church, Baptists have said the Bible is the only authority for Christian faith I have no opinion on this People are more willing to change their ways when confronted in love rather then with criticism and bitterness. I can be more specific and categorize your list of 55 things to give some examples as you asked OGrodnik to do, but it wouldnt be to diminish what you and others have experienced. We believe in the reality of the person of Satan and that he and the fallen angels wage a spiritual warfare against the plan and purposes of God (John 13:2; Acts 5:3; Ephesians 6:11-12). 28 Outwardly you look like righteous people, but inwardly your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness. That being said, your list is probably only funny to those of us who have lived it. I hope whatever poor experience you had hasnt taken you away from the faith. So the IFB pastor did counseling for 2 weeks and then, despite physical abuse, told you to get married! The IFB Insidious Fundamental Baptist Church . If you see buses full of kids of all ethnicities and backgrounds coming to worship together, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. 13. I love devotions with the Lord. Laws 40. But I still think that every Christian should spend some time in an IFB church. Pastor Wilkerson was the one and ONLY pastor who allowed me to work passionately in what ever church ministry I chosen. as a former IFB, I read this.mmmmmm, mixing truth with deceptionI wonder the author uses, the same tactics as the serpent in the garden??? The verses you quoted are taken out of context and dont mean what you imply them to mean. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week (Sunday mornings, Sunday evenings, and Wednesday evenings for Bible studies which I will assume) I cant agree with this, you must attend at least one. If you first came to church because Brother Dave or Brother Mike knocked on your door and invited you, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. 22 And when you swear by heaven, you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne. Faith Bible Baptist Church's Bible Study Internet Links We even have TWO. Its NOT ABOUT US! They said no mixed bathing. I would have rejected the advice if in my heart If didnt want the relationship anymore, but we had a kid and I needed it to work. 23. We believe education in the world is good, but the teaching of evolution needs to be addressed if the individual is a little kid as false doctrine. You can be saved and live however, but there will be consequences the saddest consequence of this behavior is your relationship with God will be Hindered greatly or little. Theres a lot that is biblical in your post that we should want to do and some not biblical and therefore should abstain from practice. 3 1/2 years ago we were addicted to marijuana, cigarettes, alcohol, and pills. Whats wrong with a tract rack? Gospel Furthering Fellowship We also teach that one must hear the Word of God, one must believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must repent of your sins, one must confess that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must be baptized for the remissions of sins, and one must live faithful until death. I remember our pastor asking us if we could forgive each other, and praise the lord we forgave each other for the offenses committed against each other. No, but I wanted to send the rest of my life with him. [5], New IFB pastors have been the subjects of controversy on numerous occasions. If this life of inner peace is what I can have without feeling the need to write long lists then Ill take it. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? I wanted to marry my boyfriend, but I want to fix him first. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin.. Im going back to my independent baptist church where there is no compromising. Much to their horror, they could not find a church that had a Wednesday night service anywhere in the area. Im not sure where your pastor got that from, but its not in the Bible. The IFB ostracizes people when they leave. (John 3:36; Romans 14:4-12;2 Corinthians 4:2; Titus 1:9), Local church membership is restricted to individuals who give a believable testimony of personal faith in Christ and have publicly identified with Him in believer's baptism. WebBaptists reject the notion of baptism of people who do not know what is happening to them, such as children. Some of these are humorous and right on the money. Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. If you (like Jason) come to this site to criticize sarcasm by hypocritically using sarcasm, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 9. Many churches are about the money, as is some of their pastors. The ones that do apply, I dont see a problem with (ie, we do have a track rack and we do have a van that picks up from surrounding neighborhoods and I do enjoy attending church 3 times a week and would enjoy more if possible.) I am a pastor of a Baptist church, but rather than call myself INDEPENDENT, I call myself unaffiliated with the other Baptist Churches. I have to admit its a lot less work than actually thinking through things. 25 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Yes but this is my concern about the IFB beliefs and I understand this was written to make it funny. Romans 5:8 The New IFB considers the modern nation of Israel to be a fraud and it also teaches that Christians rather than Jews are God's chosen people. Baptist Churches Since 1975 Are From the Ministry of a Man of Whom it Has Been Said: You are probably the most childish acting preacher No one should be forced to any belief against his or her will. Also, we lived in a free Appartement with food stamps. The Bible talks about a CHEERFUL GIVER. If a person gets right with God, then they will usually give, not because they have to, rather because they want to give. The other thing is: Nowhere in the bible are we commanded to attend a regular CHURCH building and dress nice. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? I can count on one hand the number of IFBs whove asked for a discussion instead of attacking me. You got me I am an IFB college grad. That doesnt necessarily mean they arent a dangerous cult. OK That list just brought back memories that I can thankfully laugh at now. They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you. We believe that the only marriage recognized by Scripture is the joining of one man and one woman. We did 2 weeks of counseling and got married at the end of our last session. I had a wedding dress from when my boyfriend proposed on December 5, 2010. Forget the past and move on to do those things that shine light to the lost, edify the saints, and glorify God. There are a couple places but, they're all pretty much much secular and worldly. We didnt go, but they came back the next week. Gospel Light Baptist Church, Albany, Georgia. Independent Fundamental Baptists are one of the most legalistic Christian groups/. I understand that its hard to convey emotions when typing, but the above list does not have the feel that it was done with a spirit of love but one of condemnation. God Wasnt going to see our fornicating as bringing glory to him. My husband sinned, and wanted forgiveness. I believe this passage is a description of the IFB church Im a member of. Welcome to the Duggars world of Independent OMG = Oh My Goodness! You are falling right in line with what they want someone who will robotically obey them. JUDAH. While I have no opinions on this I do agree that wives, from a biblical view, should be submissive to their husbands because its found in Ephesians 5:22-23: 22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. Whether we worship with hymns or hands int he air praise and worship songs, we are all suppose to be on the same side. I dare say probably not. 53. The Bible is inspired and preserved by God and carries His absolute authority. If you went to a church camp where mixed bathing wasnt allowed and every evening there was a 3 hour sermon, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. We believe that salvation is by grace plus nothing minus nothing. https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. Fellowship, guidance, and encouragement of the local church family are essential for believers to maintain an unwavering testimony and a meaningful life of service. Why dont you focus on the log in your own eye then you might be able to see the speck in my eye. I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. My jabs are defensive in nature. Teaching there is any unforgivable sin besides the sin of unbelief in Jesus Christ is not biblical. We told to get married. This is the only church Ive been to, so I just awsume all Churchs are loving, caring, forgiving, honest, and strive to bring glory to god and its just sad to here that thats not the case. [5], In 2021, the NIFB-affiliated First Works Baptist Church in El Monte, California was bombed with an improvised explosive device. Point is that we are to edify with love and meekness all brothers and sisters in Christ, not criticize in front of a lost world. 48. To the author, I hope youll be okay someday and if you can find a way to dig out that root I think youll find peace. Saying that Baptism is not necessary for salvation but rather it is an obedience to Christ is a liberal view of baptism and is unbiblical. If you pray using the KJV language I dont pray like that except when I recite the Lords Prayer because nobody talks like that anymore. I like door knocking is any of our church compelled to do so? [4], Despite the website's claims that each church is independent, some followers and former followers of the New IFB have accused Anderson of having complete control over the organization and ejecting anyone who has a minor disagreement with him. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ was raised bodily and that He ascended to Heaven and is now exalted at the right hand of God, where, as our High Priest, He fulfills the ministry of Representative, Intercessor, and Advocate (Acts 1:9-10; Hebrews 9:24, 7:25; Romans 8:34; I John 2:1-2). If I couldnt tolerate anyone saying something different I would instruct the site moderator to delete comments such as yours. We believe raising your hands during warship is appropriate, but the Bible specifically says to bow the head 2 Chronicles 20:18. If the devil is going to attack, he will attack the family and the church first. Jesus Christ is the mediator between God and man. (2 Timothy 2:15), We believe the first day of the week is the Lords Day. Maybe one day I can reach your level of acceptance and spirituality. And that boy who has grown up in Sunday School (because I brought him in my car every week) is now in 6th grade and has experienced the concept of unconditional love and promises that are kept things which would otherwise have been foreign. I dont post this to to attack you, nor defend Dave, rather to simply point out that perhaps both are not setting the best of examples? Attending an IFB church is the only way to hear the true gospel and get saved There are so many churches that claim the be the one, true, church, especially the Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Anglicans, some Lutherans, Jehovahs Witnesses, Mormons, etc. Even the General Baptists and the Free Will Baptists denounce eternal security, thus the only two Baptist groups that believe in Free Will. Here are my concerns about the beliefs since I am not Independent Baptist, Southern Baptist, or part of any Baptist affiliation: And theyre most likely convinced that Donald Trumps election is really going to make their civil life better! Complete Guide to Christian Denominations: Understanding the History, Beliefs, and Differences by Ron Rhodes. The Conservative Baptist Association: "Winning the World" If you believe that the IFB isnt a denomination because they are Independent, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 37. Thats not unique to the IFB. The two are completely unrelated. We ARE the church my friend! If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 31. Happily a brainwashed Bible-folk for about 28 years with more peace in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ and a firm foundation of absolute truth to stand on (yes, thats the KV, haha!). [13] Robertson had previously attracted media attention after he stated that gay people should be shot and New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern should "go home and get in the kitchen". It was fun to read down through comments and feel a little gratified that not everyone was chuckling to themselves againwhy?? Generally its the Pastor, or Preaching Elder or Minister, that has to attend multiple services because he has to preach the sermon. Its a Biblical principle that we are commanded to follow. I disclosed to (2) pastors at this church personal and heart felt feelings that I thought and grew up and was told you can talk to your pastor, because he is a man of God. Jack Hyles came to our church and you would have thought Jesus himself was preaching! Theres a place to rebuke abusive religious practices. The only sin that is not forgivable is blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. We went to th IFB church that next day to say we went to get them off our back. I am also against body piercings as well. Or preferring the KJV? 6. OMG! The Pastor leads, feeds, guides, and guards the church at the direction of Christ. These are right on the money! Well the whole point of being an independent church is that there is no one that you are responsible to. 38. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ accomplished our redemption through His finished work on the cross as a representative, vicarious, substitutionary sacrifice; and that our justification is made sure by His literal, physical resurrection from the dead (Romans 3:24-25; I Peter 2:24; Ephesians 1:7; I Peter 1:3-5). Clapping after special is music is wrong because it gives praise to performers rather than to God That statement is wrong. Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! We believe the Blessed Hope of our Lord's return is literal, personal, visible, imminent, premillennial, and pretribulational. What your pastor told you is extremely dangerous and silly. The churches that teach certain things unrelated to scripture, are a result of what the Bible calls IN THE LAST DAYS. In the last days, people will leave their first love, just as you have left YOUR first love, probably because of a pastor, an arrogant church member, or maybe because of your very own relationship with God, a relationship that is lacking. Hypocrites! Although some Independent Baptist churches refuse affiliation with Baptist denominations, various Independent Baptist Church denominations have been founded. I wish you had broken up your last paragraph into multiple paragraph everything runs together. For you say that it means nothing to swear by Gods Temple, but that it is binding to swear by the gold in the Temple. 17 Blind fools! For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse then yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 17. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. You better be right with God and have your name written in the lambs book of life. 19 How blind! He that loveth his wife loveth himself. Wherever there are people, there is sin. In 1974 Kenneth Chrismans father passed away. Dont throw your pearls to pigs! Even if you cant tithe now you can still serve in some way and later when you are able to improve your financial situation they will get your tithe. The pastor our local congregation is the preaching elder and most Churches of Christ avoid the term, Pastor, when addressing their ministers. You should do something else with the time God has aloud you.Nonsense is not what people need to hear. Those myths are addressed in my article: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/, I dont need to wait. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. There I am separate does that mean Im never going to curse, or think negative thoughts. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated co Independent God speaks to individuals through His Word and His Spirit. the Bible teaches us to prove and test matters. As I sit under preaching, sing worship songs unto the Lord, pray earnestly, read my Bible as often as I can, and search through commentaries to help me gain a deeper knowledge instead of surface reading, I KNOW Im drawing closer to God in a personal relationship with Him. Baptists as a whole, are pretty terrible. If your denomination knocked on their door im sure they wouldnt have gotten saved and the helped they needed. The establishment and continuance of local churches is clearly taught and defined in te New Testa ment Scriptures (Acts 14:27; 20:17, 28-32; I Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:5-11). I dont believe my husband was the only one hurting the relationship. Ive read all the comments posted so far, but I dont fall into many of those categories as an IFB and Ive been an IFB for almost 13yrs now. G.F.F. If this method were a stock, who would invest in it with such a low return. God Bless. Youre supposed to read the word daily, it says give us this day our daily bread. 10. The church never knew our problems but god did. 31. I truly dont understand this one, ha! Most people find it hard to swallow that anyone really thinks that way at all. 4. And, I am genuinely sorry if any unbiblical or otherwise wrong IFB group, person or church, has hurt anyone here. What is the Southern Baptist Convention and what do Southern Baptists believe? If you think that more than one earring per ear for women is worldly, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 13. I know the answers now. Its never spoken but up there to read. Are these points form the KJV Bible or is it carved from the principles from scriptures. I grew up in a baptist church and went elsewhere after college and I am learning how liberal other churches are and anything goes as long as the people are happy. If it did then unsaved people wouldnt be able to forgive. Be careful that a fanatical or unbiblical few do not cause you to condemn us all as a group. I dont believe the IFB church I go to has ulterior motives, but I havent been to any other church to apply that to all IFB churches. Independent Baptist - Wikipedia I dont think it applies to all IFB churches, the ones I grew up in didnt do some of these, but the rest definitely apply. God cant forgive you if Jesus didnt save you. This is the first and great commandment. Christ is the o nly head of the church (Acts 13:1-4, 15:19-31, 20:28; Romans 16:1, 4; I Corinthians 3:9,16; 5:4-7,13; I Peter 5:1-4). For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! I cant stand when preachers pound the pulpits because its distracting and irritating for me though I am not against preachers yelling as long as they dont yell too loud. sad stuff particularly the responses from obviously brainwashed bible folks. I am pretty conservative, but find some of this stuff outright ridiculous! To be brought back to the norm of what being a Christian is all about. Most Christians believe everything in the Bible. My church members are filled with sin and give account to God alone. According to the ADL "Anti-LGBTQ bigotry and antisemitism are fundamental to New IFB ideology, as demonstrated by the doctrinal statements on their websites and the content of their sermons. If that is the case, you might as well go out and live like hell, because you are not interested in what God says anyway. I dont have a boarden to preform any religious works. 20. If you read any other bible besides the Kjv bible you not sining. Lots of people at the church stoped what they were doing to attend. Christ suffered and Back then, you had to wear your Sunday best. to show me the folly of my performance-based religion. The women that I befriended in this church will always be my sister in Christ. If the people in your church are truly humble, forgive easily, and believe that everyone is worthy of grace, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I forgot to mention my concerns on some of the other beliefs of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Church: Being a IFB preacher, I confess a lot of truth here. 46. The home, the church, and the state are equal and sovereign in their respective Biblically assigned spheres of responsibility under God. Oh well, maybe another discussion. Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. Pastor dont preach on smoking unless he preaches on a list of things that destroy the body. You can read some of them in the comments section and in the testimonial section here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. It teaches parents to use their authority to prod, guide, and correct their children. People can ask for clarification if they want. The truth is, if you had sex with ANY woman before you finally decided to marry one of them, you are a divorced man. I didnt really say you can get drunk on grape juice but if I did, I might be a little confused. That is the only sin that cannot be forgiven. We had no money.. I think I find it more funny how you all think it IS funny and Im just over here secretly judging your jeans ;b, But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter. Using guitars in church is too liberal That was not the case at the church I grew up in when the last pastor I had when he came to Mountain Church of Christ when he first arrived (which is instrumental though membership is small). Abortion constitutes the unjustified, inexcusable taking of unborn human life. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist network, most prominently associated with anti-LGBTQ pastor Steven Anderson, appears to be in turmoil as infighting again erupts, this time between Anderson and fellow pastors in the network. We are not affiliated with any man-made external organization be it a Convention, Association, Fellowship, or National Denomination. If you think that having a disagreement with a fellow Christian means that you are sowing discord with the brethren, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 53. 42. I only hope that you will see it before too long. We had no money. If one gives because they are forced, or constrained TO GIVE, that giving does not come from the heart, and God does not honor that kind of giving. God knows the names of his children and for anyone to accuse another of security in Christ is hypocrisy. See if you recognize any. Does the lord convict me when I miss? I wonder sometimes if the pastor didnt hit one of your sins and instead of getting you under conviction, you just got angry. The lost in the world watch us Christians closer than we know. I will say though having grown up in that environment, there was a HUGE sense of support from the congregation, I always knew that if I needed something, I had people surrounding me who would help. If you compromise too much with the world, satan gets in and anything can happen thats why the word says to stay vigilant. Anyway, Im sorry that you had a bad experience at an IFB church, but that doesnt excuse you for mocking Biblical beliefs. I prefer Kjv! Its insidious and extremely toxic. Now, I am a 25 year old women with 3 children a 4, 2, and 7 month old and my Husband is 26. The New IFB's website lists its core doctrines as salvation by faith alone, once saved always saved, King James Bible-only, the Trinity, soul-winning, "hard" preaching, prewrath post-tribulation rapture, and opposition of worldliness, Calvinism, dispensationalism, liberalism, and Zionism. If your church as at least 2 Revivals per year, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. God forgave my husband through Christ.